Do lower req weapons do more damage? - Guild Wars Forums

JBak · Apr 13, 2006, 06:40 AM // 06:40

I didn't think so, but today I talked to someone in game who swore that they did.

If you have:

1) axe 6-28 15% req 7
2) axe 6-28 15% req 13

and your axe attribute is at 16, are you doing more damage with #1 or same with both axes?

Murder In China · Apr 13, 2006, 06:42 AM // 06:42

Both would do the same damage. But #1 will have a higher Critical hit rate.

JBak · Apr 13, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46

Is there more info on this crit rate.. how much more?

Katari · Apr 13, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murder In China

Both would do the same damage. But #1 will have a higher Critical hit rate.

No, that isn't how it works. At 16 axe mastery, assuming all other mods are the same, axes with different requirements will function exactly the same.

eSe · Apr 13, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46

that hasnt been confirmed

Sekkira · Apr 13, 2006, 06:54 AM // 06:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murder In China

Both would do the same damage. But #1 will have a higher Critical hit rate.

That is only a rumour that can't be tested. You'd have to ask the devs on that one.

konohamaru heaven · Apr 13, 2006, 06:54 AM // 06:54

Actually they have the same critical and damage rate reguardless of the requirement. I say this because there are only two factors that determine the rate of Critical hits and they are weapon mastery and Level Difference.

JBak · Apr 13, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

What about at 14? Would it still be the same as with 16?

eSe · Apr 13, 2006, 07:10 AM // 07:10

14 would have lower crit rate then 16

JBak · Apr 13, 2006, 07:12 AM // 07:12

Yeah but would both axes still be the same at 14?

konohamaru heaven · Apr 13, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBak

Yeah but would both axes still be the same at 14?

Yes

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mega_jamie · Apr 13, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24

the only time the axes wouldnt deal the same damage is 12 and Under, if you had 12 Axemastery the second one would deal very low damage.

NatalieD · Apr 13, 2006, 07:44 AM // 07:44

Requirement-meeting is binary. Either you meet the requirement or you don't. It doesn't matter how much you exceed it by or anything like that.

(Having a high weapon mastery attribute will increase your damage and crit rate with all weapons of that type, but that's totally separate from the requirement.)

JBak · Apr 13, 2006, 07:50 AM // 07:50

That's what I thought.

Murder In China · Apr 13, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Here's a table I found on Guru.

Effect of Attributes on Weapon DamageAttribute
Level Percent of
Weapon Damage
0 35.6%
1 38.6%
2 42.0%
3 45.9%
4 50.0%
5 54.5%
6 59.5%
7 64.8%
8 70.7%
9 77.1%
10 84.1%
11 91.7%
12 100%
13 104%
14 107%
15 111%
16 115%

Having 12 points of attribute will give 100% of the stated damage on the weapon. The requirement is for decoration.

Here's an equation I found for Critical hits.

[Effective Damage] = [Max Weapon Damage] × 2^(( 5 × [Attribute Level] - 40 ) / 40)

The only factors that affect critical hits are damage on your weapon and attribute level.

Hope that will clear any confusion.

Batou of Nine · Apr 13, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39

in other words. ANY axe with the same mods, will ALWAYS do the same dmg provided that stats when used are the same, and the requirement is met in both instances. So, 6-28 dmg, req 7 and 6-28 dmg, req 13 WILL do the same dmg as long as player stats remain same, at least 13 axe mastery when both are used.

There are really only two reasons to seek lower req items. One: The lower the required req, the more flexible one can be when creating new builds being able to use that weapon while still freeing up more points for wherever they wish. Two: The lower the req, the higher you can sell it for, because people are still under the impression that they will do more dmg then the same item with a higher req. LoL, in other words its a great marketing gimmik that has gotten me mad cash (in-game) in my hay day of trading on the GW market...

enjoy.

Xenophon Ualtar · Apr 13, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Low reqs are great if you want to have a mixture of abilities. For my Hammer Warrior I dont really care what the req is since I always have it maxed out. However, for my Necro I like lower reqs so I can run a combination of Curses and other things, especially Mesmer skills.

Siliconwafer · Apr 13, 2006, 11:49 AM // 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murder In China

The requirement is for decoration.

I don't quite get what you said here, so I'll just confirm that if you do not meet the stated reqs, you will do the damage dealt by a starter weapon (i.e. negligible). If you do meet the reqs, the table of percent weapon damage will apply.

M I D G E T S · Apr 13, 2006, 12:05 PM // 12:05

Lower req perfect weapons are just rare..reason for the price tag on them.

Mandy Memory · Apr 13, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murder In China

Both would do the same damage. But #1 will have a higher Critical hit rate.

Actually I believe it was tested and the crit rates turned out to be the same. (I remember reading that, along with data...but I dont remember where...some forum)

Apr 13, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53	#15
Murder In China Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: /B/Chan Guild: Looking for one Profession: W/	Here's a table I found on Guru. Effect of Attributes on Weapon DamageAttribute Level Percent of Weapon Damage 0 35.6% 1 38.6% 2 42.0% 3 45.9% 4 50.0% 5 54.5% 6 59.5% 7 64.8% 8 70.7% 9 77.1% 10 84.1% 11 91.7% 12 100% 13 104% 14 107% 15 111% 16 115% Having 12 points of attribute will give 100% of the stated damage on the weapon. The requirement is for decoration. Here's an equation I found for Critical hits. [Effective Damage] = [Max Weapon Damage] × 2^(( 5 × [Attribute Level] - 40 ) / 40) The only factors that affect critical hits are damage on your weapon and attribute level. Hope that will clear any confusion. Last edited by Murder In China; Apr 13, 2006 at 07:58 AM // 07:58..

Apr 13, 2006, 06:40 AM // 06:40	#1
JBak Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/R	Do lower req weapons do more damage? I didn't think so, but today I talked to someone in game who swore that they did. If you have: 1) axe 6-28 15% req 7 2) axe 6-28 15% req 13 and your axe attribute is at 16, are you doing more damage with #1 or same with both axes?

Apr 13, 2006, 06:42 AM // 06:42	#2
Murder In China Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: /B/Chan Guild: Looking for one Profession: W/	Both would do the same damage. But #1 will have a higher Critical hit rate.

Apr 13, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46	#3
JBak Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/R	Is there more info on this crit rate.. how much more?

Apr 13, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46	#5
eSe Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2006	that hasnt been confirmed

Apr 13, 2006, 06:54 AM // 06:54	#7
konohamaru heaven Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Some where in Cantha beyond the Petrified Forest and the Jade Sea Guild: The Amazon Basin	Actually they have the same critical and damage rate reguardless of the requirement. I say this because there are only two factors that determine the rate of Critical hits and they are weapon mastery and Level Difference.

Apr 13, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08	#8
JBak Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/R	What about at 14? Would it still be the same as with 16?

Apr 13, 2006, 07:10 AM // 07:10	#9
eSe Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2006	14 would have lower crit rate then 16

Apr 13, 2006, 07:12 AM // 07:12	#10
JBak Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/R	Yeah but would both axes still be the same at 14?

Apr 13, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24	#12
mega_jamie Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK Guild: Warlords of Ruin Profession: A/Mo	the only time the axes wouldnt deal the same damage is 12 and Under, if you had 12 Axemastery the second one would deal very low damage.

Apr 13, 2006, 07:44 AM // 07:44	#13
NatalieD Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	Requirement-meeting is binary. Either you meet the requirement or you don't. It doesn't matter how much you exceed it by or anything like that. (Having a high weapon mastery attribute will increase your damage and crit rate with all weapons of that type, but that's totally separate from the requirement.)

Apr 13, 2006, 07:50 AM // 07:50	#14
JBak Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/R	That's what I thought.

Apr 13, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39	#16
Batou of Nine Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California, USA Guild: Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T") Profession: Mo/E	in other words. ANY axe with the same mods, will ALWAYS do the same dmg provided that stats when used are the same, and the requirement is met in both instances. So, 6-28 dmg, req 7 and 6-28 dmg, req 13 WILL do the same dmg as long as player stats remain same, at least 13 axe mastery when both are used. There are really only two reasons to seek lower req items. One: The lower the required req, the more flexible one can be when creating new builds being able to use that weapon while still freeing up more points for wherever they wish. Two: The lower the req, the higher you can sell it for, because people are still under the impression that they will do more dmg then the same item with a higher req. LoL, in other words its a great marketing gimmik that has gotten me mad cash (in-game) in my hay day of trading on the GW market... enjoy.

Apr 13, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45	#17
Xenophon Ualtar Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005	Low reqs are great if you want to have a mixture of abilities. For my Hammer Warrior I dont really care what the req is since I always have it maxed out. However, for my Necro I like lower reqs so I can run a combination of Curses and other things, especially Mesmer skills.

Apr 13, 2006, 12:05 PM // 12:05	#19
M I D G E T S Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006	Lower req perfect weapons are just rare..reason for the price tag on them.